
We have a new president-elect, and he (with his predecessor) is facing an old problem: what to do about the Big Three automakers? These companies haven't been innovative or competitive in the marketplace in a generation or more. Now General Motors is looking to the federal government to offer a big aid package to keep the company in business and keep its many thousands of employees working. There is little doubt Ford and Chrysler will follow suit.
This poses a conundrum for anyone committed to bringing about a new Clean Energy System like the one I describe in Hot, Flat, and Crowded. Is it a good idea for the government to rescue GM with a financial package like the ones offered to Wall Street earlier this year, or is such a rescue a way of stimulating ignorance and rewarding the worst offenders, the foes of energy innovation?
If Washington does offer a rescue plan, what terms should the government ask for to hold the Big Three accountable in the new era we are in? Can we really expect the automakers to finally try in earnest to produce plug-in hybrids and other vehicles that use fuel in cleaner, more efficient ways? Is there a good way for the government to extend the rescue to the more competitive, innovative automakers—Honda and Toyota—so that they can take roles in leading the auto business into the Energy-Climate Era at last?
I am eager for your thoughts. Thanks for taking an interest in Chapter 18.

Ideas:
We are having the same debate about bailing out GM et al in Canada. The worry is "give em the cash but the US will insist on moving production back to the States as their bailout package was bigger with more conditions attached"
As a transplanted Brit I look at the great small vehicles both Ford & GM(opel) have in Europe (sorry Chrysler you're toast) and just wonder why we don't see them here. They have the product and it is good and competitive (astra, fiesta, ka etc)
I hope Obama has read this book. Maybe Mr Friedman should be offered the Energy portfolio in his cabinet.
November 16th 2008, 11:00 am
I'm concerned, as I know you must be, that Barak Obama's first quasi-executive act was to ask George W. Bush to consider a bailout of the auto industry. Indeed Nancy Pelosi vowed to make it her top legislative priority for a news cycle or two. It would seem that many representing the rust belt states and most of the economists, journalists, and industry analysts who cover the auto industry still labor under the old idea that "As goes GM, so goes the nation." I suspect that hasn't been true for years, but is rather the last desperate attempt to salvage the nation's last, great self-sustaining industrial complex.
As a designer, Let me be the first to say that the Big Three should be put out of their misery. Even before the folly of the SUV, the Big Three have pursued a shotgun approach, producing a conucopia of mediocre cars for a captive market. Even as the auto press prattles on about improved quality, the Big Three can not produce a car that people love, so they produce dozens of cars that people tolerate, reducing their product to a mere commodity. Sure there are exceptions in their lineup, but those exceptions have been stupid, gas guzzling vanity projects like the Dodge Viper, the Ford Mustang, the Cadillac Escallade and of course the Hummer.
Meanwhile the Japanese and Germans have been making affordable cars that people actually want to buy. They've been doing this while also innovating universal platforms design that allows them to update designs across their entire fleet much faster than the Big Three can. So when a new innovation like the glass roof is developed, Nissan and Scion can deploy it in two years, while it takes Chevrolet five years to implement it in the Volt.
The Volt, like its gasoline powered predecessors, is an insipid, lowest common denominator design. It would be a terrific design if only Nissan hadn't already done it. . . in 2003. This lag in production might be understandable if that extra time resulted in higher quality, but more often than not, the quality of the Big Three's product is lower than its competition.
If GM were serious about innovation they would install Elon Musk as CEO and start producing ONE car, the Tesla Roadster at scale and at half the price. The world would beat a path to Detroit. Then they should take this success an develop it as a universal platform for a compact, midsize, and station wagon models. Four terrific cars would make up the entire GM lineup.
The bottom line is that we already have the right ideas to make great cars in this country. But the Big Three have proven incredibly efficient at stifling them. What the Big Three need is not an infusion of cash, but an infusion of ideas.
BUT consider what would happen if the Big Three disappeared tomorrow. Much of the heavy machinery--a large fraction of the nation's remaining industrial infrastructure--would be crated up and shipped, lock, stock and barrel to China and India. Even in the era of automation, heavy machinery has a surprisingly long functional lifespan as computers and software can be easily updated.
You've heard the adage that farmland lost is farmland lost forever. It isn't just because the farmland itself is paved over, but also the human knowledge of farming is not passed on as farmers find other jobs and agricultural infrastructure is pushed out by a service economy. Industry is exactly the same.
Assuming that we will become an energy technology economy under an Obama administration, it would be a terrible mistake to throw away America's industrial infrastructure and human capital that runs it. If we have no way to manufacture the next generation energy technology at scale, we won't be able to test our innovations and reverse-engineer them for the next-next-generation. The Chinese would be happy to take on this role for us with our own machines no less, but obviously they'll also keep the profits from doing so.
The Chinese may still be decades away from equaling our culture of innovation, or instituting the rule of law to protect innovation, but with a monopoly on production, the whole world would suffer from China's perverse disincentive against innovation as long as it can supply the world with inexpensive, last generation technology.
What perfect symmetry it would be to see GE purchase GM and use the machinery and know-how to catapult the US into domination of the global wind or water turbine production. Or perhaps GM remains a car company, but under the ownership of GE, jettisons the internal combustion engine altogether, bringing an electric car to market at scale.
If the government is to get involved with any of the Big Three, they should demand the strictest terms including new management, from outside the auto industry and higher economy standards than the competition. And if these goals cannot be met, the factories should be repurposed for a technological war that we have a chance of winning, a war that we must win: namely the production of clean energy.
November 16th 2008, 12:16 am
I worked for GM during the summer in the late 1970's to help pay for college. We were making helicopter gas turbine engines for the US government on a cost-plus basis. Needing the money very badly to get through school, I worked very hard to try to do a good job so that I would be asked back again the following summer. For this I received a lot of criticism from the Union and was eventually moved to the back of the plant onto the midnight shift, because of complaints by the Union. From this experience (I was doing more than 8 hours of output, quite easily, by the way, within 8 hours because the standards had been set too easily by someone) I learned that concentration of power leads to corruption (a powerful supplier selling to an indifferent purchaser with the US taxpayer geting soaked for inflated prices). In effect I witnessed "corporate welfare" -- some highly paid Unionized workers, many of whom worked produced far less than 8 hours worth of work because the US government was picking up the cost of their production with a guaranteed profit to the Company.
As a result, for decades I felt almost no remorse for the US auto industry as I watched it getting spanked by the Japanese.
Now, however, given how precarious the economy is, I worry that allowing them to fail at this time could really push the economy into a very serious recession, if not depression. I have been saying for years that I believeed that GM and Ford should merge (this was while Chrysler was still owned by Daimler). Detroit experts always claimed that that would be impossible, given the disparate cultures between the 2 companies. At this juncture, in exchange for sufficient capital to provide a viable ongoing business plan, I would force a shot gun merger of at least 2 of the Big 3. If a viable foreign company (like Nissan who has shown interest) could be induced to buy one of the Companies that would be fine.
In exchange for the capital, the Companies would be allowed to renegotiate their Union contracts to become cost competitive with the Japanese and the Koreans. While this would lead to a certain loss of benefits to Labor (and Management), as an offset, Obama's new administration should look to pass national health care "before the end of my first administration," as he indicated during the campaign (as we know, Toyota doesn't pay health care for its workers, the Japanese government provides national health care). As for our shared desire for a greener world, the US auto industry would not be allowed to stand in its way, but would probably also not be expected to lead the world toward a greener future. Given the emasculated balance sheets of the Big 3 (soon to be consolidated in some fashion) -- and given Toyota's huge lead -- it is probably too late for them to do more than follow others' innovations.
But I do think that some sort of rescue is in order here, given how frighteningly fragile the Economy is today. While Lehman is probably not analogous, one should note that that "experiment" in US capitalism (allowing Lehman to bankrupt) led to a dramatic drop in confidence globally, and a rapid decline in global markets. The Financial Times probably rightly observed that September 15, 2008 (the day Lehman went bankrupt) was the "end of the Reagan era." I don't think we want to take that risk again right now with an industry responsible for so many jobs in the US. Rather we should cushion the blow (as we did in 1980 for Chrysler), as the US-owned auto industry inexorably leads to eventual extinction. Aspects of the auto industry will always exist in the US, but it seems rather unlikely -- unless 30 years of trends can change -- that there will be an American-owned auto company in our childrens', or at least grandchildrens' futures.
November 15th 2008, 10:47 pm
Hard to see GM to solve this problem, there are many taboos on its way.
Rick Wagoner makes over 10million dollars every year, if stock options are to be included, where as salaries of presidents from toyota and honda may not reach a million dollars.Unions of automobile companies has gotten too strong that cutting wages seems impossible.
As a result, these people are still making SUVs but not a single hybrid.
Its been a long time since Peter Druger wrote a book about this company, and its hard to find the good traditon still in place.
November 15th 2008, 7:01 pm
I suggest a total transformation of your energy and automobile industry.
The best idea I have seen in regards to renewable energy, can be viewed in the documentary “Here Comes the Sun”,
www.youtube.com/vprointernational
Basically, introduce a solar industry on a gargantuan scale.
Then transform the Big Three into producers of vehicles without combustion engines a.s.a.p. Make use of their existing infrastructure and let small, innovative companies do their work. With or without the help of the Big Three. The best ideas for such vehicles can be viewed in the documentary, “The Race for the Car of the Future”,
http://www.vpro.nl/programma/tegenlicht/aflev...
Last but not least, President elect Barack Obama needs to deliver a speech similar to JFK’s “Man on the Moon” speech. What about a “Man in an Electric Car” speech?
November 15th 2008, 7:04 am
ok, i haven't read it all but the big three should produce what the market is calling for. if that's hybrids, plug-ins, nitrogen fuel cell battery that's fine. Yes, management at the Big 3 leave much to be desired. All their cars look like each other, foreign or domestic. it used to be a big deal when the new models came out years ago. Now, nobody knows this year from last year. Styling still has an impact. Most importantly, the Big 3 mgmt has never stood up to the outlandish, over expensive union contracts. They roll over and play dead. This is no longer just domestic competition, its global with comepetitors making better cars to cheaper costs. they had to make and sell all those gas hogs because they had to to keep paying their bills. Why no one ever mentions that is beyond me. I'm all for a fair wage for a day's work but they have clearly gone over the top and the mgmt powers that be in Detroit are losing their shirts because of that and cars that most buyers just don't want. if i can a better car at a cheaper price from a foreign car maker in today's economy i'd do it in a heartbeat. They have no one to blame but themselves, the whole lot of them.
November 14th 2008, 6:54 pm
Much like Apple computers approach to apps for the iphone. The car makers should approach the auto industry. The govt. shall act like a venture capitalist of sorts........as follows:
As a requirement for a complete bailout of the auto industry:
The U.S. govt. requires that all vehicles produced within 10 years, get 100mpg, and that a minimum of 15% of Automobiles run on non carbon based fuels-fuel cells, electric, etc.
Until Detroit meets the requirements above they are bound by the following initiative
The following initiative that Automakers are to be bound to as a result of their accepting low interest govt. loans to avoid bankruptcy and stay in business can be run by a czar (an automotive pioneer, business titan) or even a commission. The commissions or czars responsability will be to oversee initiative on behalf of the American people
1st: Choose3-5 components where innovation and improvement will have the greatest effect on the fuel efficiency of the vehicles.
Lets say: batteries, engine, materials
2nd: The components chosen will be opened up for outside competition by all capable parties to improve on them.
3rd: Every year is a competition time frame possibly 6-9 months where outside interests can submit their improvements or ideas for testing.
4th: Every year the component which has the best results will be integrated in to Detroits new vehicles and they will be forced to liscense the technology if it is better than existing technology. ( The testing barometers for the various components on a yearly basis are always the same )*cost of integration in to manufacturing process is included as a barometer - excessive costs outside predefined boundaries can either be subsidized by the govt. or can make a candidate invalid
5th: The cost of testing and operating the initiative will be footed by the federal govt.
6th: As an added incentive is a total of 1 Billion dollars as a prize to be divided up over the ten years. The award amount on an annual basis will correspond with the progress made the previous year towards the overall goal of 100mpg or other goals set. It will be awarded in such a way that the bigger the mountain remaining with respect to the overall goal, the larger the current years award becomes.
Lastly, the goal is not to create a new federal bureaucracy. The goal is to create a system to drive innovation and freemarket forces towards solving Detroits challenges.
When Detroit reaches the milestones set or at the end of 10 years whichever comes first, the commission/ czar is dismissed / disbanded and the initiative is complete.
Thanks,
Anthony,
Design Engineer
November 14th 2008, 5:18 pm
Giving the big three even $.01 from the gov't is a bad idea. Why? They have made their decisions over the years regarding what sort of product vision they were going to have, now they should be allowed to live with it. Yes, high fuel prices followed by the economy falling apart is a tough double whammy, but I don't see the other companies who make cars in this country asking for handouts. Perhaps we don't need so many companies making cars no one really wants. Did the USA fall apart when Studebaker went out of business? No. It will not fall apart if GM declares bankruptcy either. GM will have to re-organize and transform itself into a leaner, meaner, more efficient company that creates appealing products. I simply cannot fathom why the gov't should reward GM (or any car company) with money for cashing in for years on the truck and SUV craze and never getting serious about building good quality fuel efficient cars.
GM actually did start to move in the right direction back in the 90's with the EV1, then, for reasons unknown, cancelled the car. Why the heck didn't they continue to develop it? If they needed money for further R&D, that would be one thing, but to just give them money to survive is just throwing money on a carcass that died long ago.
Lastly, we supposed to be living in a capitalist country where healthy companies survive and prosper, and badly run companies go away to make room for more efficient companies to take their place. Giving these companies money is like giving in to terrorist demands, once you start, Pandora's box is open, where do you draw the line?
November 14th 2008, 4:13 pm
Thanks for all of your insightful comments. It appears that President elect Obama has read your book...talking about the new electricity grid, etc. Any bailout of the auto industry must come with stipulations concerning payback, interest and the implementation of new standards for gas mileage and alternate fuels. It is called Leverage and we may never have it like this again.
November 14th 2008, 2:25 pm
Dear Mr. Friedman,
It is with great interest that I read your books, columns, and watch your appearances on tv. I have tried unsuccessfully to get some of the UAW leadership to visit the Aspen Institute and cite your works with I speak to college classes about the changing nature of work in a global economy. However, I would like to offer another point to view about the demise of the Detroit 3.
To say that "these companies haven't been innovative or competitive in the marketplace in a generation or more" is painting the picture with too broad a brush. You can go to the GM Tech Center in Warren, Michigan and ride around in a hydrogen powered vehicle or a plug-in hybrid. You could visit the Lansing Delta Township assembly plant that won the LEEDS designation as a green facility and was the first assembly plant in the United States to do so.
As far as being competitive, GM stills sells more vehicles in the United States than any other competitor. As the world has become flat, GM has spent large sums building assembly plants in emerging markets such China, Thailand, Argentina, Brazil, Poland, and just this week opened a new plant in Russia. GM would be the number one seller of vehicles world-wide if it could compete in Japan where Toyota thoroughly dominates the less than free market.
The problem of the Detroit 3 is bigger than the transportation industry (I will not address the cost of health care). Where we live and how live in the United States will have to be addressed if we truly want to solve our environmental and energy problems that directly confront us now. We need a well defined energy policy that would give the companies a clear direction on what to produce. We have to decide on fuels we are going to use to power our fleet. We could also use different materials to lighten vehicles that would increase their energy efficiency. Until we have a comprehensive policy, we will make little progress on conversing resources and slowing global climate change.
We are truly are at a watershed moment in history. If GM and Chrysler do not receive government aid, they will be forced to declare bankruptcy. Numerous surveys suggest that bankruptcy will be the beginning of the end as 80% of people surveyed have indicated they would not purchase a vehicle from a bankrupt company. The opportunity that we would lose would be the ability to direct the companies in a more positive direction as a condition of receiving financial aid from the government.
Walter Reuther spoke about the ability to auto plants to produce other products that could benefit society. Ironically, Toyota uses the Toyota Production System to produce pre-fab housing in Japan. A vision that Reuther had during the 1950's. We should not throw away our design, engineering, and manufacturing expertise that resides in these companies. Excess auto capacity could be redirected to make the blades, batteries, and rails for the future green economy. However, if we do not act immediately the factories could be abandoned and resemble parts of Detroit, Flint, and other industrial graveyards. Places where our society has disintegrated.
November 14th 2008, 12:15 pm
A letter on this topic to the Canadian and Ontario governments from Electric Mobility Canada, of which I am a board member.
Roger Martin
November 13, 2008
The Right Honourable Stephen Harper
Office of the Prime Minister
80 Wellington Street
Ottawa, ON K1A 0A2
Honourable Dalton McGuinty
Premier
Legislative Building
Queen’s Park
Toronto, ON M7A 1A1
Re: From crisis to opportunity in Ontario’s auto industry
Dear Mr. Prime Minister and Mr. Premier,
The crisis in Ontario’s auto industry creates an opportunity to make substantial progress in areas that are important to all Canadians:
1) Creating manufacturing and engineering jobs in Ontario that are based on the clean technology required by the 21st century.
2) Renewing the automotive manufacturing base in Ontario.
3) Reducing greenhouse gas emissions from vehicles by over 80% today and enabling reductions of 99% in the future.
This progress can be achieved by focusing the future growth of Ontario’s automotive industry on electric vehicles: hybrids, plug-in hybrids and fully electric.
To this end, Electric Mobility Canada recommends that any financial assistance to the Detroit 3 be extended on condition that they will deliver on the following objectives:
1) That within 10 years, all classes of new vehicles built or sold in Canada will be either battery electric (BEV), plug-in hybrid electric (PHEV) or hybrid electric (HEV).
2) That within 10 years, at least 5 percent of those vehicles be BEVs, solely powered by batteries or equivalent technologies. BEVs require no fossil fuel.
3) That within 10 years, the only internal combustion engine permitted in new cars will have a fuel economy rating at least 10 percent better that the average of all HEV's in the same vehicle class as demonstrated the year before.
Electric Mobility Canada believes that the above conditions are fair, achievable and will not render the Canadian made vehicles non-competitive. Please note that:
• Technologies exist today for meeting most of these conditions. The expected rapid advances in these technologies should mean that these goals can be exceeded in 10 years.
• The conditions will promote the clean technology developments already under way within the Detroit 3 and in other auto related companies.
• Other countries such as the United Kingdom, France and the United States have adopted goals for EVs that are in many ways more aggressive than these, and they are expressing confidence their goals will be met.
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• BEVs are able to dramatically reduce GHG emissions due to their high energy efficiency and their ability to be recharged by clean sources of energy. Canada already has a relatively clean electricity grid and plans to make it still cleaner in the future. A BEV recharged from the current Canadian grid would, on average, reduce GHG emissions by about 85% compared to a gasoline-powered vehicle. The reduction ranges from about 98% in hydro-dominant BC, Manitoba and Quebec, to 45% in coal-dominant Alberta, with the other provinces being somewhere in between.
In addition, your governments should further assist the transition needed in the auto manufacturing sector by setting up a National Centre of Excellence for Electric Vehicles. Such a centre could act as a catalyst to accelerate research, move new technologies to market and provide solid support for growth in the electric vehicle industry in Canada.
The current dip in oil prices will surely reverse itself once the global economy rebounds. In fact, the International Energy Agency recently warned that the world's energy system is on an unsustainable path that could lead to both oil shortages and, eventually, in “catastrophic and irreversible damage” to the planet's climate. There currently is a global surge of interest in electric drive vehicles, not only for their environmental benefits but also because the price of electricity to consumers is locally controlled and not subject to prices dictated by distant oil cartels.
On behalf of our members and Board of Directors, we urge you to adopt our recommendations. We would be pleased to provide more information as needed.
Copies of this letter are being sent to all Provincial Premiers as well as to the Ministers of Industry, Finance, Environment and Natural Resources in the Federal and Provincial Governments.
Yours truly,
Al Cormier, CAE
Executive Director
November 14th 2008, 9:49 am
The environment and economy are linked, so it's time to link the policies related to them. If we must help the auto industry, fund it through a tax on the sale of gasoline. Ensure that the tax is high enough to drive consumers to STRONGLY consider fuel efficiency, and also leaves some money on the table to support incentives for development of alternative energy, and public transit. Tie any supports for individual auto companies to projects that will move them into more efficient transportation (not just cars).
November 13th 2008, 11:50 pm
Instead of giving the big three any money do the following:
1. Split the workforce in thirds.
2. Take the worst third and let them keep making cars the old fashioned way and DON'T give ANY bailout money to the big three. The business model will fail on its own. Let it.
3. Split the brightest and best off and create two groups. One group goes to new personal transportation initiatives and the other group goes to new public transportation initiatives. Give ANY contemplated money to the companies of the future (Tesla, etc) and let the brightest and brightest create our future.
4. Take the remaining third and use those contemplated funds to pay them as they train for those five million new jobs that will come to market with the other part of the bailout.
5. The big three can get in to the repair business to fix the cars they've made and to become the repair force for the NEW transportation that the brightest and best will create for us.
In other words, DON'T BAIL OUT A FAILING MODEL!
November 13th 2008, 11:32 pm
Instead of $25 Billion to The Big Three, how about $2.5 Billion* each to the top 10 most promising new vehicles? Yes, they already exist. And they are awe inspiring. Why aren't they in production? See the film "Car of the Future" available for free viewing on Netflix; available for purchase through NPR. (the film was produced by NPR's hosts of Car Talk).
*Loan or purchase of preferred stock.
November 13th 2008, 8:31 pm
To the extent that pieces of the big three can be taken over by Toyota and Honda (with a commitment that their production will meet aggressive new CAFE standards...standards that should count SUV's as automobiles and not trucks) that should be done to reduce the size of the crater that the death of the old U.S. auto industry leaves.
Those pieces that are suitable for conversion to wind turbine, solar cell, and other renewable energy industries should be so converted. This is where any "New Deal" should be focused...creating new American industries.
It occurs to me that a NASA-type effort to create substantially more efficient photovoltaic solar cells would be in the national interest.
November 13th 2008, 8:21 pm
I think this needs to be a "hybrid deal". Some smaller dollar amount should be provided to help the Big Three come around. But I think there should be benchmarks set: 1/2 of all productions must be hybrid or better in 5-10 years, etc. Plus, as American institutions, there need to be some ownership incentive for taxpaerys...agreed upon dividends, etc. to help shore up retirement accounts and payback for bailout funds.
Second, I think the government should broker a deal with either Toyota or Honda (or similar) to take over certain plants. This would, in effect, take down the big three in influence and make Toyota or Honda the major players. But, lets be honest, GM / Ford / Chrysler are on their way out anyway. This would at least offer them the opportunity to re-tool the companies AND save American jobs.
Japanese auto makers are the BIGGEST investors on auto-sector jobs in the US. They could prove very worthy allies.
November 13th 2008, 6:47 pm
The big three should be bailed out. We cannot afford the to lose any more manufacturing industries or jobs. The bailout must come with a huge list of conditions that have to be met by the companies before they receive a dollar.
We should definitely remove all people responsible for the business plan of the last few decades from any decision making positions. The people who "killed the electric car" should be named publicly and prevented from working in the automotive industry. They should be replaced by modern innovative leaders who have an understanding of global markets and how to compete within a globalized world.
All production of oversized SUVs and trucks must cease immediately, only to be produced upon requests direct from customers.
New stringent fuel economy standards must apply to all vehicles produced after the bailout, with efficiency increasing by predetermined and reasonable amounts. Our new socialized companies must have a plan to become the most fuel efficient in the world. An ever increasing amount of the vehicles should be hybrid, plug-in hybrid, and flex fuel capable, until better alternatives are invented.
These companies must be held to a higher level of quality than they have up to now. Planned obsolescence should be made illegal. These cars should be made to perform beyond the measly 100-200,000 miles currently provided by american cars. They should be the best and longest lasting vehicles ever made.
If and when these new vehicles begin to roll out, persuasive tax incentives should be given to the first round of Americans with the balls to buy American again. As we begin to implement these strict policies on our own companies, we should also begin to hold foreign companies to the same high standards.
In conjunction with these new high standards, efforts must be made to develop light rail and other forms of mass transit. We must not forget that the car culture is a major part of our current problem. We need to begin to rebuild our infrastructure in a way that would allow people to live with fewer cars or no cars at all. In order to do this, we will need revolutionary new policies from our government. As stated in an earlier post, speed limits should be reduced to reduce demand for gasoline. Further efforts and incentives should be made to increase the shipping of goods by rail. Cities and states that make efforts toward developing mass transit and becoming pedestrian friendly should be rewarded federally in some way. Producers of local food should be nearly exempt from taxes. Families and individuals who grow their own vegetables should be given tax credits based on the amount of food produced. People that consume local food should be rewarded in some way.
What we need is a national and global movement akin to the war effort of World War II. We are alive during the most crucial times to date. The fate of the nation and the planet hang in the balance. Never before has humanity been presented with such a serious challenge.
I view the economic crisis as the best thing that could have happened for the long term benefit of our country and our planet. We never would have been able to stop the snowball that was rolling down the mountain. Our countries economy has been slowly deteriorating for some time, hidden only by the veil of the massive real estate bubble. Now we have been presented with the opportunity to rebuild our economy and our society into one that could continue indefinitely.
America once did great things for the benefit of all people. We can do it again.
Mark Mazzocchi -Hailey, ID
November 13th 2008, 6:05 pm
Greetings Mr. Friedman:
The Big Three.
I’ll try my best to keep this as short as possible.
I’m a 71-year-old retired guy now living in Joshua Tree California in the middle of the Mojave Desert. Over the past 56 years of driving southern California’s roadways and parking on so-called freeways during my working years, I have never ever been involved in a vehicular accident and my last traffic citation for an "improper right turn" was thrown out of court for lack of evidence in 1973. Enough said.
The essence of the following “solutions” have been sent to a variety of news media over the past couple years but none have ever mentioned the “idea”. You sir, today (Nov. 13, 2008) on CNBC spoke with great passion similar sentiments. Now then, to my point:
To my knowledge, there is but one single section of an Interstate highway located somewhere in western Texas where the posted speed limit is 80 mph. The rest of the USA posts speed limits of 70 mph and downward from there.
Solving the “GM” or the big-three situation would provide several benefits, provided the USA limits speed limits to 55 mph. Doing so would first of all save about 5,000 lives per year due almost entirely to “the need for speed”.
Getting from A to B at 80 miles per hour saves just 4 minutes of lifetime where one only needs to start out 4 minutes earlier and travel at 55 mph to get there at the same time.
One only has to “pay attention” to explicit visual advertising of today’s automobiles. Burning rubber, sliding around, faster than a speeding bullet --- all about “speed” enticing the viewer that “speed” is the requisite key to owning the vehicle. That kind of advertising must cease to exist.
Prohibit the manufacture, importation and sale of vehicles that can exceed speeds of 80 mph excluding emergency public service and law enforcement vehicles.
Now to “the big-three”.
Allow “bailout” funding PROVIDED the manufacturers kill the union strangle hold and outlandish wages for robot button pushers. Stop the production of “everyday” vehicles capable of speeds in the range of 120 to 250 mph.
Since speeds would be limited as mentioned, there is absolutely no “need for speed”, therefore there’s no need for 300 to 500 horsepower engines that can get from zero to 70 in a mere few seconds. Kill much of the luxury items factored into these vehicles. Produce these “transportation” and “commuter” vehicles at half the retail price tag of $30 to $50 thousand dollars yet keep the overall size of the vehicle relatively the same as current passenger cars.
The results would provide more buyers of these vehicles given the reduced retail prices. Manufacturers benefit from greater sales to a larger buying public. The quantity of autoworkers would not significantly be affected. In fact, there may be greater need for workers due to increased sales.
Reduction in speeds to 55 mph would save millions of gallons of fuel, thereby reducing our “dependence on foreign oil”.
These mandates certainly would help out the auto industry’s current dilemma. Let them go belly up but do not force tax payers to foot the bill simply to give them money to continue their currently failing concepts of doing business.
While producing 80 mph vehicles, manufacturers will then have the necessary time ahead to continue to research and “invent” cleaner, mileage sensitive, alternative propulsion types of vehicles as technology advances. We cannot expect Detroit to produce advanced technology vehicles today. It takes time. Time is not on our side. So, give Detroit “time” to invent, then produce.
Of course, in order to provide these benefits, laws at the federal and state levels would be required to severely punish those who violate the speed limits. Such as, but not limited to, confiscation and destruction of the offending vehicle, severe monetary fines, even jail time. Allow present older vehicles to “disappear” by attrition. For legal racing vehicles, provide laws that prohibit that vehicle from being operated on a public roadway and restricted only to certified and licensed racetracks and so operated by certified racing operators. Prohibit such racing vehicles from being sold to persons not licensed and certified racing entities or persons so licensed. All emergency and law enforcement vehicles must have their engines destroyed upon retirement from public service.
Certified or otherwise verified antique and other “car collections” would be “allowed” on public roadways but would be confiscated without compensation should that vehicle be found to have violated specific laws pertaining to speed on a third citable event.
Of course, the foregoing legislative issues are more complex and must take into consideration alternative and more in-depth regulatory measures to ensure uniform compliance across the entire nation. One should not be so punished for minor infractions unless such infractions are found to have exceeded reasonable frequency of violation. Such laws must be made in a manner that lawyers cannot usurp the laws by merely interpreting the word “if” differently than commonly understood.
The bottom line:
Loan the auto industry the funds to continue in business only on the condition they retool and produce “common sense” vehicles the majority of citizens can afford and that save lives, fuel and that cannot exceed speeds of 80 mph under any circumstances. There are no roadways in this nation that are designed, maintained or where 120 to 250 miles per hour are permitted.
Bill Ford
Joshua Tree California
November 13th 2008, 1:54 pm
I find myself torn in this situation....The hard working employees of these bloated auto companies are pawns between politics and economics. GM and other auto companies should be saved but with the stipulation that the boards must go and that they get rebuilt from the ground up. Innovation gets a bigger slice of the pie, entitlement policies get none. These boards, the unions and the Michigan politicians all act like it is our duty to keep them afloat. Innovation is not just building a fuel efficient automobile, it is the ability to run a business with both eyes wide open and not with your head buried in the sand.
November 13th 2008, 1:22 pm
To say that GM is not innovative is just plain wrong. They have patents and models on all of the new innovations in the auto world. Their problem began with the Japanese car industry (Which, by the way, received financial help for years until they had the volume to compete on their own.) and their ablility to inspect everything 100% with low cost human robots. They knew they had to produce superior quality and they had the discipline and the low cost labor to do it. (Is this what we want Americans to do?)Then with the news media time after time year after year extolling the superior quality of the Japanese cars Americans began to feel like fools for helping the American economy by buying American cars because everyone says they are inferior.
"What about Japanese cars made in the U. S.," you ask. The reliablility is in the components which are still made in where the labor costs are low and each piece at each step in production can be inspected 100%. U. S. automakers tried to do the same thing with automation, unfortunately they ignored their workers and gave them no responsibility. This made the workers unconcerned and quality suffered.
These new start-up manufacturers will have no impact on the industry. You must be large with the economies of volume to sell to the average car buyer.
What I think we need in this country is specified goals and ideals that are learned in grade school and be recited by all. Then everyone will know who is working with those goals and ideals in mind. We have the bill of rights but I am thinking more about practical issues like are we trying to be the most wealthy nation; is it our goal to have the highest standard of living. What about education, is it a national goal to have the best educated children at every grade level? Take drugs for instance, it is against the law to use illegal drugs and we spend a lot of time and money enforcing that law here and there. But if it was a nationally recognized goal to eliminate drug use in this country comedians on TV would not smirk at drug use and we would get it done.
Being American was once like joining a religion and that is what it takes to be successful.
November 13th 2008, 1:05 pm
This is an amazing period in our lifetime. It is the doorway into this century. We are just starting to wake up and recognizing it is there. Sometimes it requires adversity to realize a new and brighter path ahead.
I see the Big-3 automakers as a fantastic delivery system to new competition, new forms of transportation and energy, and part of the solution instead of the problem. When you have lemons, you make... Over the last five years, I've investigated the field of new energy sources. Independent vehicle inventors have been busy innovating and creating. It reminds me of the 70's and 80's with the emergence of personal computers from huge mainframes and minis.
There are times when we really need government to get involved in the marketplace. If you look at our history, we could never have built the highway system, the railroads, and the American Dream without government's help.
The US must invest money in an industry that touches the heart of our economic and social system, and will effect us throughout this century. Except, we are not going to give money to those that have been incompetent for decades. Instead we will tap the shoulders of innovators that can bring revolution into our economy. Revolutionary thinking and ideas is required to lift us out of the 20th century - we are still living there.
What do innovators need? Money of course! With a banking system afraid to make loans, we can only look to our federal government to leverage innovators to the next level - inventory creation, distribution, and customers.
The Big-3 have an effective delivery and supply system. We need to unite the new innovators with tried and proven methods that get product to consumers. The Big-3 have people and tools that could be utilized by innovators. So even though the old timers may not be in a position to continue business as usual, they can morph into something different that helps the industry and spares many of their brightest employees from standing in bread lines.
I asked Governor Corzine to increase the gas tax while prices were coming down. I told him that we need to invest in our future and attract those innovators that create the new industries of this century. A gas tax is the most effective way to produce money and encourage alternative energy methods. This is the most opportune time - while prices are coming down and we are used to higher prices and made emotional adjustments to them. He was afraid to act because it would hurt the poorest among us. Sometimes we need to take a step or two back to move forward. Moving forward helps all of us - especially our future generations.
Lastly, infrastructure needs to be kept in sync with innovation. This is another role government must participate in and let the market place to decide on what works best for them and the environment in the long term.
The future is Bright!
November 13th 2008, 12:55 pm
Dear Mr. Freidman,
I just finished watching you on CNBC, and couldn't agree more with your points. Frankly I think the American public has been screwed long enough by the big three who've already had the technology available to sell us more fuel efficient cars, and you're right, they are certainly not the only ones able to make "good" cars (if you can call them that), as the foreign competitors have already proven. If taxpayers are going to be doling out more cash then spread it around to the next generation of innovative entrepreneurs who understand the needs and care about safe, efficient transportation which won't continue to destroy our planet. Enough of throwing more money into pockets full of holes!
November 13th 2008, 12:37 pm
The question of whether or not to bail out the Big 3 can be answered with 3 simple words "Yes, But, Change". The industry has come to a point in time and its evolution where the continuous execution of a business model based on a platform that consumes fossil fuels at an alarming rate (80% of the 100-125Million barrells / day)has brought it to the brink of extinction. Good! Throughout human history, dramatic, lasting, and transformational change does not happen without us as individuals, organizations, or society fully understanding the impact of events. GM, Ford, and Chrysler, along with the UAW, are finally seeing the daily impact of flawed strategic decisions made years ago. From a Silicon Valley perspective, where forward thinking, innovation, and creative ideas to solve societal and global problems is a pre-requisite for getting up in the morning and having a job, it seems ludicrous to bail out the Big 3 w/out major strings attached. This is the 'but' part of this post... Change management, retool the factories, tear up UAW contracts, committ to only emerge from bankruptcy (foregone conclusion) once a strategic, progressive, and world leading business model and plan is in place. Lastly, 'Change'. Change mentally, emotionally, professionally, and professionally in terms at how each and every employee, executive, and partner/supplier of the Big 3 look at what they're doing and where they're going. What they do for a living has become the laughingstock of the global transportation industry. Challenge yourselves to be better. Challenge yourselves to LET GO of the past. Challenge yourselves to see what each and every one of you are willing to do to transform carbon based vehicles to plug-in hybrids, flex-fuels, and other types of transportation. Change your thinking to realize it's not about saving the planet, as it's been around for a very, very, very long time. It's about saving yourselves from yourselves.
November 13th 2008, 12:21 pm
Mr. Friedman,
Thanks for writing your books in a way so that they are received by a broad audience. We must make this information palatable and understandable to all.
As to the auto manufacturers, that is their problem. They are perceived (and think of themselves) to be auto manufacturers, not transportation companies. They need to re-cast their vision as to what they do. They have an opportunity to become, again, the vanguard in the transportation space. We (the US) have the opportunity to be a vanguard in sustainable development. I hope we can rise to the challenge.
November 13th 2008, 12:11 pm
Thomas
I have just watched you on CNBC commenting on GM Ford and Chrysler.
What I dont understand is both Ford and GM produce fuel efficient vehicles in Europe including natural gas cars. They have the the cars available now, ship them here in kit form or finished whatever works.They can then duplicate the European tooling which must be cheaper then re inventing the wheel. With the US Dollar strengthening why not buy them in from Europe they just make their profit in Europe, stiil comes back to the US.
The Japanese have always produced world cars unlike the US which has played to cheap fuel.Thats why the Japanese are successful their cars are not any better than a GM or Ford not these days.I own a Ford Expedition great vehicle and a Corvette great design great value great engineering you pay half as much more for a Porsche and double for a Ferraris.
My point is the big three have the vehicles in their European range so where is the problem?
William
November 13th 2008, 12:07 pm
Step 1: Put in place a $5.00 gallon gas tax and then, increase the earned income credit to pay for the tax - as we saw this summer, gas prices do more to change driving and buying habits than anything regulation Congress wants to enact (e.g., CAFE).
Step 2: Put the D-3 through a "pre-planned" bankruptcy with everyone involved taking a "haircut," (existing workers, retirees, creditors).
Step 3: The Government makes a ONE-TIME assumption of the unfunded (and now, reduced benefits) the severance packages, and the retraining costs.
Step 4: The Government "breaks-ups" the Auto "Trust" (much like AT&T or, in an earlier era, the Oil Trusts), and auctions off the right to produce Chevys, Pontiacs, etc. THe Government will match (on a one-time basis) the capital contributions for the right to manufacture and produce these brands in the U.S. This allows new blood to enter the auto industry with new contracts for all parties concerned.
I believe that the U.S. taxpayer understands the importance of the auto industry - but they also detest the current structure. Thus, in exchange for a one-time payment to get rid of the old structure, I believe this would be the best compromise solution.
Thank you for asking.
November 13th 2008, 12:07 pm
Thomas your a moroon...
Comparing Ipod to cars...lol
There are no Govt rules to make a music machine....
Cars have to meet all the criteria that the govt controls.
Now don't misunderstand me, I will be the first person to tell you how wasteful and unproductive the Auto companies workers are. On call electricians and engineers getting paid not to work..
Thanks for listening
November 13th 2008, 12:00 pm
Dear Thomas Friedman!
Thank you for the call of ideas, it is very interesting to read the postings:
Here is what I think:
No bail out of auto makers! They all, the CEOs as well as the regular workers, should start thinking. For example about:
The time people spend working for the money to buy and for maintaining a car might be longer than the time needed to walk the distances. That includes the second important point: regionally produced regional goods for the regional need. Then the globe's recources will last for a few more generations.
Summery: Regionalization is "greener" than globalization. Big distances and high speed kills human interactions. The "cleanest economy" is the one with your next door neighbour.
I know, Henry David Thoreau's idea to simplify and reduce is today as hard as it was then.
Bandi
(Andy in Hungarian, from Vienna Austria, surviving easily without a drivers licence and a car)
November 13th 2008, 11:09 am
Your own book answers part of your question: page 108.
"It was, he explained, the sharp rise in oil prices in the 1970s ... that deluded the Kremlin into propping up inefficient industries by overextending economic subsidies at home, into postponing real economic reforms ... then it was the collapse of prices in the 1980s and early 1990s that brought down the overextended petrified empire"
Instead of oil that creates wealth with no effort, we own the printing machine for the worlds reserve currency. And as the pendulum swings from capitalism to populism, the govt (who knows nothing re economics / markets) feels empowered to use their infinite wisdom, or more precisely their printing press, to save the economy.
An argument can be made that maintaining the financial system via recapitalization is not ideal but effective in so far as it preserves the structure for use following the crisis and perhaps slows the pace of panic so that people can think clearly about how the market should adapt/adjust to the new reality. But even here the losses eventually still must be taken and market prices must clear eventually.
As we expand beyond the financial system, we are only avoiding the pain that is so necessary to provide the motivation / momentum to adapt/adjust to reality. Clearly, that motivation has not been there to date and the auto industry not only does not eliminate excess capacity buy repeatedly makes poor technology bets.
The role of government in this energy discussion is to make the decision for the people that they must accept a lower standard of living for a greater good without becoming an allocater of capital. For example, it might employ an energy tax such that energy consumers look to find alternatives but allows the market to allocate capital towards the best solution.
Planned economies do not work and creates misallocations of capital with unintended consequences. I have been working in parallel to you as an investor visiting capital hill regularly for four years making a similar case as you about energy.
You and I both know capital hill knows nothing about energy, that they only grabbed onto energy because it was politically expedient in 2008 and that they grab whatever is readily available (usually from their biggest contributors) rather than educate and decide a solution. They are power brokers not policymakers. They get elected by helping their constituents, not solving real problems. Who are we kidding when we expect them to start allocating capital in return for turning on the printing press.
November 13th 2008, 10:50 am
First, UAW and the politicians who are promoting bailout focus on 2million plus jobs all of a sudden going away if the Big 3 go into bankruptcy is absolutely not true. The Big 3 can gain efficiencies by selling assets and making cuts. The problem is the UAW, which was very instrumental in swing states and publicly putting the Dems and Obama on notice, and their push for a zero sums game. It is NOT coincidental the Big 3 and UAW started to say the sky was falling for them only after Nov 4th and people like Speaker Pelosi demanding that we must bailout the Big 3. Did the Big 3 suddenly become insolvent on their balance sheets in a week? So Mr. Friedman, you are correct, the politicians in MI need to be cleaned up, but that would also entail president-select Obama and Congress people who are paying back the UAW for their swing state votes. I'm disappointed, because I like Obama, because there was so much talk about changing old Washington politics and not kowtowing to lobbyists. The reality is, the solution doesn't have to be the zero sum game of bailout or bankruptcy. The bailout discussion shouldn't be about being green and increased CAFE standards, it should be about looking at the Big 3 balance sheets and gaining efficiencies first. However, you have UAW talking about any inclusion of concessions in a bailout proposal being met with UAW forcing strikes. Again, zero sum versus reality.
Second, the problem is NOT the Big 3 not being green, because there would have been plenty of people still buying SUVs and trucks at a reduced price compared to the price premium of hybrids while gas prices spiked. The credit markets froze and there was an initial hype of hybrids during the gas spike which was leveling off, though, as people started to analyze costs.
Third, back to UAW being the problem and why the Big 3 bailout is a UAW bailout, because the Big 3 already make very fuel efficient vehicles and up to high environmental standard--can you say Opel, GM Europe, and Ford Europe?; however, UAW leverage prevents the Big 3 from importing those cars. I simply do not understand why all the talk is focused so much on fuel efficiency and research into fuel efficient vehicles, when the Big 3 already make them and made them. Did the Big 3 suddenly forget about the 1980s when they were building fuel efficient cars? The Big 3 were able to weather and retool their lines in response to the 70's oil crisis, which was a far greater problem than the oil spike of last year. Why are the taxpayers being called to pay for the Big 3 to do research on fuel efficiency, pay to retool, and then pay more for fuel efficient cars?
Fourth, people talk about a Steve Jobs type coming in to innovate the Big 3. This is ridiculous, because Steve Jobs does not have to contend with the UAW. Moreover, if you cannot innovate or compete in tech, you fall to the waste side. This is far different from the protectionist policies that keep the Big 3 going. The Japanese, Koreans, and Germans are making attractive cars people like, they are making fuel efficient cars people like, are making reliable cars people like, and are not re-badging the same car. This is why the Big 3 are doing bad. The Big 3 have too many cars using the same platform under different badges--Get rid of the redundancy first, and then we can talk about bailout.
Fifth, 4-5% increase per year in mpg is absolutely ridiculous if you are serious about getting the Big 3 to make more fuel efficient cars. The existing technology is not incremental in this way. Plus, you have to ensure you close the loop on excluded vehicles or having two CAFE standards for cars and for SUVs, pickups, and minivans.
November 13th 2008, 8:53 am
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